Comments on: The State of State on the Web http://www.untyped.com/untyping/2009/03/20/the-state-of-state-on-the-web/ Weblog of Untyped, software developers for internet, desktop and mobile. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:20:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Untyping » More State on the Web http://www.untyped.com/untyping/2009/03/20/the-state-of-state-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-367 Untyping » More State on the Web Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:35:09 +0000 http://www.untyped.com/untyping/?p=205#comment-367 [...] a followup to The State of State on the Web I want to mention stateless servlets, a relatively new feature of the PLT web server that make [...] [...] a followup to The State of State on the Web I want to mention stateless servlets, a relatively new feature of the PLT web server that make [...]

]]> By: Noel http://www.untyped.com/untyping/2009/03/20/the-state-of-state-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-356 Noel Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:29:14 +0000 http://www.untyped.com/untyping/?p=205#comment-356 Interesting analogy. Typically another mechanism would be used. A database is the traditional choice. With continuations you might use your language's inter-thread/process communication mechanisms (in PLT Scheme, this would be channels). Using cookies is certainly viable but not typical. Interesting analogy. Typically another mechanism would be used. A database is the traditional choice. With continuations you might use your language’s inter-thread/process communication mechanisms (in PLT Scheme, this would be channels). Using cookies is certainly viable but not typical.

]]> By: apoirier http://www.untyped.com/untyping/2009/03/20/the-state-of-state-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-337 apoirier Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:33:24 +0000 http://www.untyped.com/untyping/?p=205#comment-337 As the lead developer of Nagare, I need to say Nagare is the wrong example to start your post with, because it has the exact same techniques for state management than you use with PLT web: using an history of continuations, saved on the server, is the natural and easier way to code with Nagare. But, then, you can map significative "RESTful" URL on important resources if you want, using CLOS-like generic methodes. An example on how to map such significatives URL to a Wiki starts at http://www.nagare.org/wiki/wiki7/1 (note how this RESTFul URL points to step #1 of the 7th example of the wiki tutorial). Also, Nagare comes with several security managers, the form based one using cookies. That why the complete sentences decribing Nagare are "no *explicit* URL routing" and "No REST *by default*". But I know the actual lack of document about RESTFul URLs can create miscomprehension. Else, of course, I totally agree with the rest of your post about the benefits of these different state management policies. Regards As the lead developer of Nagare, I need to say Nagare is the wrong example to start your post with, because it has the exact same techniques for state management than you use with PLT web: using an history of continuations, saved on the server, is the natural and easier way to code with Nagare. But, then, you can map significative “RESTful” URL on important resources if you want, using CLOS-like generic methodes.

An example on how to map such significatives URL to a Wiki starts at http://www.nagare.org/wiki/wiki7/1 (note how this RESTFul URL points to step #1 of the 7th example of the wiki tutorial).

Also, Nagare comes with several security managers, the form based one using cookies.

That why the complete sentences decribing Nagare are “no *explicit* URL routing” and “No REST *by default*”. But I know the actual lack of document about RESTFul URLs can create miscomprehension.

Else, of course, I totally agree with the rest of your post about the benefits of these different state management policies.

Regards

]]> By: dysfunctor http://www.untyped.com/untyping/2009/03/20/the-state-of-state-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-318 dysfunctor Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:56:38 +0000 http://www.untyped.com/untyping/?p=205#comment-318 Thanks Noel. Most informative. It strikes me that, when you use continuations, the multi-window problem starts to look like the multi-threading problem, with cookies being the data structures shared between threads. Is this a reasonable analogy? Thanks Noel. Most informative.

It strikes me that, when you use continuations, the multi-window problem starts to look like the multi-threading problem, with cookies being the data structures shared between threads.

Is this a reasonable analogy?

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